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| 107 |
From: Carl Wilson <carl@k...>
Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 1:20pm
Subject: Oklahoma UFO
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We'll, the regulars don't seem to be interested in "Joe's sighting", so I
guess he'll let it drop in the newsgroups and concentrate on all the "UFO
researchers" out on the web. Might be interesting to see how many UFO web
pages it appears on.
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| 108 |
From: Bruce Hutchinson <bhutch@g...>
Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 2:10pm
Subject: Re: Oklahoma UFO
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>We'll, the regulars don't seem to be interested in "Joe's sighting", so I
>guess he'll let it drop in the newsgroups and concentrate on all the "UFO
>researchers" out on the web. Might be interesting to see how many UFO web
>pages it appears on.
Sighting news of Joe's UFO
Joe's report is now posted on Filer's Files, a compendium of
sightings from all over, and has been included in his weekly
newsletter.
This weekly newsletter has also been posted to the UFO Updates
List
Filer's files are at http://www.filersfiles.com.
UFO Updates archive: http://www.virtuallystrange.net
Bruce
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| 109 |
From: Bruce Hutchinson <bhutch@g...>
Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 2:42pm
Subject: Re: Oklahoma UFO
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>We'll, the regulars don't seem to be interested in "Joe's sighting", so I
Surpise, Surprise! You expect them to actually _talk_ about
UFOs in UFO newsgroups? The FTB regulars are too caught up in
the ego trips of Frager and Flaggy, and whining about Skepti-
Bunkers.
Bruce
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| 110 |
From: Carl Wilson <carl@k...>
Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 1:02am
Subject: Re: Oklahoma UFO
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Hutchinson" <bhutch@g...>
To: <AAR_Skeptics@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AAR_Skeptics] Oklahoma UFO
> >We'll, the regulars don't seem to be interested in "Joe's sighting", so I
> >guess he'll let it drop in the newsgroups and concentrate on all the "UFO
> >researchers" out on the web. Might be interesting to see how many UFO
web
> >pages it appears on.
>
> Sighting news of Joe's UFO
>
> Joe's report is now posted on Filer's Files, a compendium of
> sightings from all over, and has been included in his weekly
> newsletter.
>
> This weekly newsletter has also been posted to the UFO Updates
> List
>
> Filer's files are at http://www.filersfiles.com.
>
> UFO Updates archive: http://www.virtuallystrange.net
>
>
> Bruce
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2002/mar/m13-008.shtml
LAWTON -- Bill Hickman writes he received a report from the
witness who on March 3, 2002, stated, "I took a photo on the
west edge of Lawton just minutes ago. I was returning from some
late night shopping at the local Wal-Mart and noticed these
objects in the distance moving around the sky rather
erratically. When I got closer to home I realized these objects
were moving in my direction so when I got home I ran inside and
grabbed my digital camera. I ran back outside, and snapped only
one picture before they sped out of sight. MUFON's Dr. Bruce
MacCabee is looking at the photo now and we should have a
preliminary report soon. Thanks to Bill Hickman, MUFON
Investigator and author of the Hickman Report.
jhickman1@p...
LOL!
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| 111 |
From: Carl Wilson <carl@k...>
Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 1:05am
Subject: Re: Oklahoma UFO
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Hutchinson" <bhutch@g...>
To: <AAR_Skeptics@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AAR_Skeptics] Oklahoma UFO
>
> >We'll, the regulars don't seem to be interested in "Joe's sighting", so I
>
> Surpise, Surprise! You expect them to actually _talk_ about
> UFOs in UFO newsgroups? The FTB regulars are too caught up in
> the ego trips of Frager and Flaggy, and whining about Skepti-
> Bunkers.
>
> Bruce
Yeah I know.... What the hell was I thinking? ;-)
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| 112 |
From: Carl Wilson <carl@k...>
Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 1:08am
Subject: Fw: Strange objects sighted west of Lawton, Oklahoma 3/11/02
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Harman" <Mike_Harman@r...>
To: "Joe W." <joe73505@h...>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: Strange objects sighted west of Lawton, Oklahoma 3/11/02
> I have never seen anything quite like that, very
> interesting looking object a definate UFO. What I
> would do if I were you is make a drawing of what you
> saw then that can be compared to the video. I think
> this might help to give us a better representation of
> what you saw. Especially since there is aparent video
> movement causing some distortion of the object. Now, I
> did see two bright green car sized objects moving
> rapidly in formation that appeared to be traveling
> below sone thick clouds. The lead objecthad a red
> smaller object behind it that was zig zagging back and
> forth following the lead object. Talk about High
> Strangeness, this was right out of the Close
> Encounters movie. See my story about what I saw on my
> web site at:
>
> UFO-PI Private UFO Investigations:
> http://ufopi.freehomepage.com/index.html
>
>
>
> --- "Joe W." <joe73505@h...> wrote:
> > I'm not sure what's going on there. Maybe the
> > original file on my computer
> > got corrupted or something like that. I'll run
> > scandisk on my computer and
> > see. Anyway, I'm glad you got it.
> >
> > Since you've been investigating these sorts of
> > things for awhile, have you
> > even seen objects like that? I know the picture
> > isn't the greatest since
> > apparently I shook the camera.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Harman" <Mike_Harman@r...>
> > To: "Joe W." <joe73505@h...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:26 AM
> > Subject: Re: Strange objects sighted west of Lawton,
> > Oklahoma 3/11/02
> >
> >
> > > Joe,
> > >
> > > I sent Carl an email thinking it was you, anyway
> > it
> > > displayed the same message and the image did not
> > > display in the e-mail either when he sent it, not
> > sure
> > > why. However I was able to get a copy of the image
> > > from Hickman Report List from the server, so don't
> > > wory about me. The image on the server is fairly
> > > large. This is very strange because people send me
> > > images all the time, and I never have problems
> > seeing
> > > them Oh Well..
> > >
> > > Mike Harman
> > >
> > > --- "Joe W." <joe73505@h...> wrote:
> > > > I emailed a copy to a friend of mind, and had
> > him
> > > > email it to you through a
> > > > regular, non-Hotmail account. Maybe sending it
> > > > through Hotmail is causing
> > > > the problem, so hopefully this helped.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <MCHARMAN@p...>
> > > > To: "Joe W." <joe73505@h...>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:52 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Strange objects sighted west of
> > Lawton,
> > > > Oklahoma 3/11/02
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I don't know what the problem is, I still
> > cannot
> > > > get
> > > > > to the image it goes to a dead link instead,
> > Try
> > > > > sending it to Mike_Harman@r..., see
> > if
> > > > this
> > > > > will work. I'd like to post the image on my
> > web
> > > > site.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Harman
> > > > > UFO-PI Private UFO Investigations:
> > > > > http://www.homestead.com/ufopi2/index.html
> > > > > http://ufopi.freehomepage.com/index.html
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Original Message ---
> > > > > From: "Joe W." <joe73505@h...>
> > > > > To: <MCHARMAN@p...>
> > > > > Subject: Re: Strange objects sighted west of
> > > > Lawton,
> > > > > Oklahoma 3/11/02
> > > > >
> > > > > >Ok, it's attached to this message.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: <MCHARMAN@p...>
> > > > > >To: "Joe W." <joe73505@h...>
> > > > > >Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 7:52 AM
> > > > > >Subject: Re: Strange objects sighted west of
> > > > Lawton,
> > > > > Oklahoma 3/11/02
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Could you please resend the UFO picture, I
> > was
> > > > > unable
> > > > > >> to pull up the image from the link.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Mike Harman
> > > > > >> UFO-PI Private UFO Investigations:
> > > > > >> http://www.homestead.com/ufopi2/index.html
> > > > > >> http://ufopi.freehomepage.com/index.html
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --- Original Message ---
> > > > > >> From: "Joe W." <joe73505@h...>
> > > > > >> To: <thehickmanreport@p...>
> > > > > >> Subject: Strange objects sighted west of
> > > > Lawton,
> > > > > >> Oklahoma 3/11/02
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >I took the attached picture from my house
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > west
> > > > > >> edge of Lawton just
> > > > > >> >minutes ago. I was returning from some
> > late
> > > > night
> > > > > >> shopping at the local
> > > > > >> >Wal-Mart and noticed these objects in the
> > > > distance
> > > > > >> moving around the sky
> > > > > >> >rather erratically. When I got closer to
> > home
> > > > I
> > > > > >> realized these objects were
> > > > > >> >moving in my direction so when I got home
> > I
> > > > ran
> > > > > >> inside and grabbed my
> > > > > >> >digital camera.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >When I ran back outside the objects were
> > > > nearly
> > > > > >> overhead. I snapped only
> > > > > >> >one picture before they sped out of sight.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Mike Harman
> > > > > >> Arlington, Texas
> > > > > >> (817) 649-0537
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Harman
> > > > > Arlington, Texas
> > > > > (817) 649-0537
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
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| 113 |
From: Carl Wilson <carl@k...>
Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 10:59pm
Subject: Fw: In regards to your photograph (Submited March-11-2001)
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I even got some feedback from the superkook known as "Flaggy".
Chech out the part where he says:
"I have captured things myself from time to time,
though if I feel its something that skeptics can or may be able to try to
explain away, I usually keep it to myself and I share it with my friends
to see what they say about it. This way its harder for the skeptics to
get a "one up" on you."
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 12:04 PM
Subject: In regards to your photograph (Submited March-11-2001)
In regards to your photograph (Submited March-11-2001) NOTE: The materials presented below are only pre-conclusions about
the materials presented. They do not necessarily reflect what conclusions
I may draw-up in the future if I plan to perform more in-depth studies of
these images. 
Looking at the above two photographs you can see how each of the objects
seem to be close to exact replicas of each other and that they all have about
equal light intensity in the sky. I also have trouble seeking any sky normality
such as stars and clouds, etc faintly in the background. These do somewhat
resemble rods, however they are greenish in color. Most UFOs are pictured
as simple balls of light and thus its hard to make out much detail. The formation
of the objects being in a straight row is also somewhat puzzling as it is common for
them when in groups to form triangle like shapes in the sky such as with the
famous Nevada UFO sightings which occurred several years ago, however
they were whitish in appearance. It is of course not unusual for people to report
them lined up perpicandicular to eachother. In your picture the objects seem to
have tails which would also be fairly rare in a traditional UFO photograph. A
skeptic would probably jump to criticize the photo because of all the objects
seeming to have equal appearance and intensity and its also hard to make out
any sky normality. The color intensity seems to be a little high for it to be
a regular snapshot of lights in the sky and they seem to be a little too well
defined. Usualy when someone takes a picture at night its hard to make out
anything and colors of distant lights appear to take on a blandish apperence.
They also twinkle in intensity due to the fact that the flow of light from them
is distorted by the atmosphere. This one also has one of those rod-like objects and also has a close to
exact appearance when compared to the other snippets above. What's
funny however is that the formation here seems to resemble a smiley
face if you look at it the right way. This does seem somewhat interesting, if you notice, you see within the
red trail another one of those rod like objects but this time it takes on a
yellowish appearance. What seems strange is that I am doubting that the
redness is a firetrail because of its shape. If you notice the blackness
within the object, it gives it a cloudy like appearance. Of course it does
leave you to wonder. There is also a small red orb like object which is
barly visible near the lower left corner of this photograph. If the photograph
was taken on sight and was not edited in any way (only you may know
that for sure) then I do believe that this may be something interesting
as proof for yourself of the possibility of alien visitation. However, the
way skeptics behave these days its doubtful unfortunately that they
would see this as an actual photograph. I would probably take this as
proof for yourself personally that what you have seen was indeed
something interesting. I have captured things myself from time to time,
though if I feel its something that skeptics can or may be able to try to
explain away, I usually keep it to myself and I share it with my friends
to see what they say about it. This way its harder for the skeptics to
get a "one up" on you. You may want to return to that location from time to time with a video
camera, if the objects do return with such clarity and visibility, then
its likely to be much harder for skeptics to be able to explain away. --
Flagship1 of the Paranormal
http://www.flagship1.com |
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| 114 |
From: Carl Wilson <carl@k...>
Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 11:06pm
Subject: My reply to Flaggy
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: In regards to your photograph (Submited March-11-2001)
Thanks for your input, it's greatly appreciated. I think I know what you mean about the skeptics. I made the mistake of posting this to the UFO newsgroups and got told by some guy called Robert ASF that they were airplane flares, and that I should ask the neighbors if they found any flares in their yards. Then some guy called Carl Wilson said that I might also want to look for empty LIQUOR bottles in MY yard!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 12:04 PM
Subject: In regards to your photograph (Submited March-11-2001)
In regards to your photograph (Submited March-11-2001) NOTE: The materials presented below are only pre-conclusions about
the materials presented. They do not necessarily reflect what conclusions
I may draw-up in the future if I plan to perform more in-depth studies of
these images. Looking at the above two photographs you can see how each of the objects
seem to be close to exact replicas of each other and that they all have about
equal light intensity in the sky. I also have trouble seeking any sky normality
such as stars and clouds, etc faintly in the background. These do somewhat
resemble rods, however they are greenish in color. Most UFOs are pictured
as simple balls of light and thus its hard to make out much detail. The formation
of the objects being in a straight row is also somewhat puzzling as it is common for
them when in groups to form triangle like shapes in the sky such as with the
famous Nevada UFO sightings which occurred several years ago, however
they were whitish in appearance. It is of course not unusual for people to report
them lined up perpicandicular to eachother. In your picture the objects seem to
have tails which would also be fairly rare in a traditional UFO photograph. A
skeptic would probably jump to criticize the photo because of all the objects
seeming to have equal appearance and intensity and its also hard to make out
any sky normality. The color intensity seems to be a little high for it to be
a regular snapshot of lights in the sky and they seem to be a little too well
defined. Usualy when someone takes a picture at night its hard to make out
anything and colors of distant lights appear to take on a blandish apperence.
They also twinkle in intensity due to the fact that the flow of light from them
is distorted by the atmosphere. This one also has one of those rod-like objects and also has a close to
exact appearance when compared to the other snippets above. What's
funny however is that the formation here seems to resemble a smiley
face if you look at it the right way. This does seem somewhat interesting, if you notice, you see within the
red trail another one of those rod like objects but this time it takes on a
yellowish appearance. What seems strange is that I am doubting that the
redness is a firetrail because of its shape. If you notice the blackness
within the object, it gives it a cloudy like appearance. Of course it does
leave you to wonder. There is also a small red orb like object which is
barly visible near the lower left corner of this photograph. If the photograph
was taken on sight and was not edited in any way (only you may know
that for sure) then I do believe that this may be something interesting
as proof for yourself of the possibility of alien visitation. However, the
way skeptics behave these days its doubtful unfortunately that they
would see this as an actual photograph. I would probably take this as
proof for yourself personally that what you have seen was indeed
something interesting. I have captured things myself from time to time,
though if I feel its something that skeptics can or may be able to try to
explain away, I usually keep it to myself and I share it with my friends
to see what they say about it. This way its harder for the skeptics to
get a "one up" on you. You may want to return to that location from time to time with a video
camera, if the objects do return with such clarity and visibility, then
its likely to be much harder for skeptics to be able to explain away. --
Flagship1 of the Paranormal
http://www.flagship1.com |
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| 115 |
From: Carl Wilson <carl@k...>
Date: Sun Mar 17, 2002 8:14am
Subject: The 'Stop Alien Abductions' web site
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Check out this link.
http://www.stopabductions.com/
This has got to be a parody site!
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| 116 |
From: Robert ASF <ra_forti@h...>
Date: Sat Mar 16, 2002 5:58am
Subject: Re: Fw: In regards to your photograph (Submited March-11-2001)
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Sorry about the double posting
snip
>A
>skeptic would probably jump to criticize the photo because of all the
>objects
>seeming to have equal appearance and intensity and its also hard to make
>out
>any sky normality.
You know what is scary is that this is almost a correct assertion, you
cannot see the sky, stars etc. Why not? It is right in front of his face and
he misses it... Now that is sad
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| 117 |
From: Robert ASF <ra_forti@h...>
Date: Sat Mar 16, 2002 5:52am
Subject: Re: Fw: In regards to your photograph (Submited March-11-2001)
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snip
>A
>skeptic would probably jump to criticize the photo because of all the
>objects
>seeming to have equal appearance and intensity and its also hard to make
>out
>any sky normality.
snip
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| 118 |
From: Michael Davis <mdavis19@i...>
Date: Sun Mar 17, 2002 4:27pm
Subject: Re: The 'Stop Alien Abductions' web site
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Carl Wilson wrote:
>
> Check out this link.
>
> http://www.stopabductions.com/
>
> This has got to be a parody site!
We can only hope.
--
Michael Davis
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| 119 |
From: Robert ASF <ra_forti@h...>
Date: Sat Mar 16, 2002 6:02am
Subject: Re: My reply to Flaggy
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>From: Carl Wilson <carl@k...>
>Reply-To: AAR_Skeptics@yahoogroups.com
>To: AAR_Skeptics@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [AAR_Skeptics] My reply to Flaggy
>Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:06:52 -0600
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Joe W
>To: Flagship1 of the Paranormal
>Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 5:05 PM
>Subject: Re: In regards to your photograph (Submited March-11-2001)
>
>
>Thanks for your input, it's greatly appreciated. I think I know what you
>mean about the skeptics. I made the mistake of posting this to the UFO
>newsgroups and got told by some guy called Robert ASF that they were
>airplane flares, and that I should ask the neighbors if they found any
>flares in their yards. Then some guy called Carl Wilson said that I might
>also want to look for empty LIQUOR bottles in MY yard!
snipo
For some reason known only to flaggy, he has me on his hit list. I cannot
even remember having a conversation with him, let alone piss him off. I
bring this up cause i am sure it will give Joe instant credibility in the
flaggers eyes :-)
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| 120 |
From: Carl Wilson <carl@k...>
Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 2:19am
Subject: Re: Fw: In regards to your photograph (Submited March-11-2001)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert ASF" <ra_forti@h...>
To: <AAR_Skeptics@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AAR_Skeptics] Fw: In regards to your photograph (Submited
March-11-2001)
> Sorry about the double posting
>
> snip
>
> >A
> >skeptic would probably jump to criticize the photo because of all the
> >objects
> >seeming to have equal appearance and intensity and its also hard to make
> >out
> >any sky normality.
>
> You know what is scary is that this is almost a correct assertion, you
> cannot see the sky, stars etc. Why not? It is right in front of his face
and
> he misses it... Now that is sad
Yup. A skeptic would and should criticize the photo for just those reasons
if nothing else.
BTW, I noticed on the newsgroups you are posting both as Robert ASF and as
Robert Fortin. Since you don't usually use your last name I didn't know if
you were doing so on purpose or by accident.
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| 121 |
From: Carl Wilson <carl@k...>
Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002 2:21am
Subject: Re: The 'Stop Alien Abductions' web site
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Davis" <mdavis19@i...>
To: <AAR_Skeptics@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AAR_Skeptics] The 'Stop Alien Abductions' web site
> Carl Wilson wrote:
> >
> > Check out this link.
> >
> > http://www.stopabductions.com/
> >
> > This has got to be a parody site!
>
> We can only hope.
>
> --
Actually, I was provided with some links from another poster and did some
digging around myself. Apparently the site isn't a parody after all! Now
THAT'S scary!
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