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From: Bruce Hutchinson  <bhutch@g...>
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 4:04am
Subject: (Fwd) UFO UpDate: Lawton Triangles

 
JACKPOT!  (hehe, heh, heh...)

Well, it looks like "JW" is about to hit the big time.  The 
following was posted to UFO Updates this evening from the 
esteemed Dr. Maccabee.

Just goes to show you that even the big fish will take the same 
troll bait time and time again.

I shall NEVER doubt the gullibility of a "seasoned" UFO 
investigator again.

Bruce

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Date sent:      	Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:47:13 -0400
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From:           	UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@v...>
Subject:        	UFO UpDate: Lawton Triangles

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@c...>
To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@v...>
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:02:02 -0400
Subject: Lawton Triangles


Wow! A Rare event!

Back in March I posted on my web site, an article about a photo
of a triangle... and something else... taken in Lawton,
Oklahoma.

In May Jim Hickman informed me of a SECOND picture, taken near
Lawton, but in May. This shows what certainly seems to be the
same thing(s)n seen from a slightly different perspective.

Anyway, visit:

http://brumac.8k.com

and scroll down the opening page a short distance to Lawton
Triangles.




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From: Carl Wilson  <carl@k...>
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 5:51am
Subject: Re: (Fwd) UFO UpDate: Lawton Triangles

 
I wonder what the reaction to a third "sighting" might be?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Hutchinson" <bhutch@g...>
To: <AAR_Skeptics@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 11:04 PM
Subject: [AAR_Skeptics] (Fwd) UFO UpDate: Lawton Triangles


>
>     JACKPOT!  (hehe, heh, heh...)
>
> Well, it looks like "JW" is about to hit the big time.  The
> following was posted to UFO Updates this evening from the
> esteemed Dr. Maccabee.
>
> Just goes to show you that even the big fish will take the same
> troll bait time and time again.
>
> I shall NEVER doubt the gullibility of a "seasoned" UFO
> investigator again.
>
> Bruce
>
> ------- Forwarded message follows -------
> Date sent:      Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:47:13 -0400
> To:             "- UFO UpDates Subscribers -":;"- UFO UpDates
Subscribers -":;@virtuallystrange.net
> From:           UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@v...>
> Subject:        UFO UpDate: Lawton Triangles
>
> From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@c...>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@v...>
> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:02:02 -0400
> Subject: Lawton Triangles
>
>
> Wow! A Rare event!
>
> Back in March I posted on my web site, an article about a photo
> of a triangle... and something else... taken in Lawton,
> Oklahoma.
>
> In May Jim Hickman informed me of a SECOND picture, taken near
> Lawton, but in May. This shows what certainly seems to be the
> same thing(s)n seen from a slightly different perspective.
>
> Anyway, visit:
>
> http://brumac.8k.com
>
> and scroll down the opening page a short distance to Lawton
> Triangles.
>
>
>
>
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>
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> Errol Bruce-Knapp
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>
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> 'Unsubscribe' in the Subject: line
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From: Carl Wilson  <carl@k...>
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 6:00am
Subject: Fw: RE: FW: Another Lawton UFO report

 
 
Gee, it looks as if there's a "UFO Flap" going on in Oklahoma.  Seems someone else has claimed to have seen the "Lawton Triangles". ;-)
 
 

  The Hickman Report <thehickmanreport@prodigy.net> wrote:

From: "The Hickman Report"
To: "'T. J.'"
Subject: RE: FW: Another Lawton UFO report
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 07:11:14 -0500

Thank you so much for your help, I hope we wont have to bother you again. by the way, I got a another witness to your UFO in Lawton, that just wrote me, so that's 3 different folks on 3 days that this was seen, strangeness....
 
 
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: T. J. [mailto:t_j_fort_sill@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 4:24 AM
To: The Hickman Report
Subject: Re: FW: Another Lawton UFO report

I wasn't using zoom, and the image quility was at standard.  I don't have the book for the camera (it belongs to the Army) so I don't know what it's focal length is or anything like that.

  The Hickman Report wrote:

Hi, Dr. Maccabee has a couple of more questions for you. (if you don't
mind)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: bruce maccabee [mailto:brumac@compuserve.com]
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 10:15 PM
To: The Hickman Report
Subject: RE: Another Lawton UFO report


I looked up the Canon Powershot A10.
Has 3X zoom.
Can you ask TJ if he knows what the basic focal length is, was it on
zoom?s on (zoom?)
shutter time, image quality mode, whatever settings pertain to the
camera as he used it?



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From: Carl Wilson  <carl@k...>
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 6:17am
Subject: Fw: [TheHickmanReport] Subject:Mystery object crashing to Earth

 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: jhickman
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:06 PM
Subject: [TheHickmanReport] Subject:Mystery object crashing to Earth

New sighting report... Jim H.


Date:Mon, 03 Jun 2002 12:51:41 -0500

From:"Scott Sadowski" <scotty_s@swbell.net>

Subject:Mystery object crashing to Earth

To:info@TheHickmanReport.com

Jim, I don't know if this is the kind of report you want or not but last
night(Sun. 2 June, 2002) I saw what I believe to be something crashing
to earth. I live in Lawton, OK. and at app. 8:30 p.m. I was going to
pick up some dinner for the family. I was travelling North on Sheridan
Rd. and as I looked to the West I noticed an object moving toward the
ground leaving a fiery trail behind it.

When I first spotted it, it was about 35 deg. above the horizon. The
object itself was about the size of a pencil eraser held at arms length.
The trail was about as long as a dime is wide when held at arms length.
I watched this object for app. 5 minutes. I noticed that although I
could see the tail shifting, moving and burning out, it seemed like it
was happening in slow motion. This led me to believe that the object was
very large and/or very far away. When I last saw the object it had
descended to app. 20 degrees above the horizon. When I came out of the
restaurant it had descended below the horizon and I could no longer see
it.  I have been surprised that today I have neither heard nor read
anything about an impact. I was also curious as to whether or not you
had received any other eyewitness accounts or had heard anything about
this incident. Thank you.


Scott Sadowski                    
Lawton, OK.



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From: Jof 3r  <gangprobeddad@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 4, 2002 9:00am
Subject: lawton UFO

 
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Subject: Skeptics Wrong Again ----  Second sighting of 'Lawton Triangle' 
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According to Dr. Bruce Maccabee's website at http://brumac.8k.com/ and Jim
Hickman's website at http://www.thehickmanreport.com/  there has been yet
another sighting of the same UFO that I spotted in March.

Looks like my sighting has been verified, doesn't it skeptics?



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From: Carl Wilson  <carl@k...>
Date: Mon Jun 10, 2002 7:47am
Subject: "Lawton Triangle" at rense.com

 
I see that the "Lawton Triangle" has made it to rense.com ;-)
263

From: Carl Wilson  <carl@k...>
Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 7:25am
Subject: Fw: [TheHickmanReport] FW: Lawton Photo

 
 
----- Original Message -----
To: egr
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 6:49 PM
Subject: [TheHickmanReport] FW: Lawton Photo

We may have found an answer to the Lawton Triangles, or at least the "car" part of the UFO's. I am researching this further... Jim

From: http://www.marsearthconnection.com/ufomyst2.html#dmsp

 The DMSP UFO Satellite Photograph

Click image to view larger. It was March 3, 1986 when I got my first phone call from Alaska.  The man on the phone wanted to tell me about a photo from a satellite which  showed a UFO...a friend of his had swiped  the picture from the weather office at Elmendorff Air Force Base in  Anchorage, AK in October,1978. According to the anonymous friend, when this  picture "came down" from the satellite NORAD went on full alert. The friend  knew about this because of his job at the air force base...

It was a rectangular vehicle with no wings and 4 contrails, flying at 45,000  ft and traveling at Mach 6 or more. The location of the photo had been  determined by the land mass shown below. It was at Latitude 43 north,  Longitude 131:30 East...about 40 km southwest of Vladivostok, just off the  coast of the Soviet Union...

The photo had been verified as coming from a defense weather satellite and he had determined that the strange object was at about 45,000 ft and traveling at 4,000 to 5,000 mph... Two pictures made from a DMSP satellite negative (1) have been analyzed to determine the nature of an Anomalous Image (AI) which appears in the negative... See, also, America's Nuclear Flying Saucer

 

 

 


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From: Carl Wilson  <carl@k...>
Date: Tue Jun 11, 2002 7:26am
Subject: Fw: [TheHickmanReport] Guest Appearance

 
 
----- Original Message -----
To: egr
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 6:59 PM
Subject: [TheHickmanReport] Guest Appearance

For the local MUFON/List members, I will be giving a speech on the
Lawton UFO mystery this June 12th at 12 noon, at the Elk City Kiwanis
club. It will be held at the Flamingo Restaurant, 2010 W 3rd St. in Elk
City, Oklahoma. The public is welcome to attend.

Jim Hickman
MUFON- Research Specialist- Media Operations
www.mufon.com
The Hickman Report
www.thehickmanreport.com




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From: Diamondmaster1  <diamondmaster1@a...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 0:31am
Subject: Back at long last.

 
Hi gang!
 
Sorry I've been away for so long.
 
Did I miss anything exceptionally kooky?
 
John
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From: Carl Wilson  <carl@k...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 5:03am
Subject: Re: Back at long last.

 
Well, jof3r dug up some really kooky quotes from Rick Boston.  You can check some of them out at http://www.kook-watch.net/kooks/Rick_Boston.html
 
Rick turned out to be even a bigger kook than I thought he was.
 
Then there was the "free energy" bunk that was being pushed by both Robert Wolfe and pRicky.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:31 PM
Subject: [AAR_Skeptics] Back at long last.

Hi gang!
 
Sorry I've been away for so long.
 
Did I miss anything exceptionally kooky?
 
John
267

From: Bruce Hutchinson  <bhutch@g...>
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 2:18am
Subject: Re: Fw: [TheHickmanReport] Guest Appearance

 
>For the local MUFON/List members, I will be giving a speech on the
>Lawton UFO mystery this June 12th at 12 noon, at the Elk City Kiwanis
>club. It will be held at the Flamingo Restaurant, 2010 W 3rd St. in Elk
>City, Oklahoma. The public is welcome to attend. 

Carl,

You ARE going...  right?

We all need a blow-by-blow report.

Bruce
268

From: Carl Wilson  <carl@k...>
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 4:57am
Subject: Re: Fw: [TheHickmanReport] Guest Appearance

 
> >For the local MUFON/List members, I will be giving a speech on the
> >Lawton UFO mystery this June 12th at 12 noon, at the Elk City Kiwanis
> >club. It will be held at the Flamingo Restaurant, 2010 W 3rd St. in Elk
> >City, Oklahoma. The public is welcome to attend.
>
> Carl,
>
> You ARE going...  right?
>
> We all need a blow-by-blow report.
>
> Bruce

I would have loved to have attended, but I had to work.  It would have been
real hard sitting there listening to his crap while trying to keep a
straight face. ;-)
269

From: Diamondmaster1  <diamondmaster1@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 5:43am
Subject: Another flash of FTB brilliance!

 
>From the UFO Files...
 
Another flash of brilliance:
 
>It's conceivable that, had he lived, Francisco might still be alive
>today, on his 94th birthday.
 
Gee, are you *sure* about that?
 
UFOs.>
 
This was so incredibly stupid, it actually bore repeating.
 
John
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From: Carl Wilson  <carl@k...>
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 5:00pm
Subject: Fw: kook

 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 11:50 AM
Subject: kook

I am just writing in response to your http://kook-watch.net/nancy/ page.  Everyone has their own opinions and well yours is quite dedicated.  I just have to say a couple things in response to that page.  First of all I do not believe what nancy and the zeta's are expressing is in anyway related to the other three figures on that page.  What nancy is trying to do is prove an existance of another planet, which may or may not come in the year of 2003 to do some damage.  She is not informing mass ammounts of people to come to a farm house so they can use psychokinetic power to disable out of reach objects, or come drink this cup filled with magic potion that (tends to kill) releases you from this boring place we call earth.  The only thing she offers is a chance to prepare (physically or mentally) for something may or may not come.  So your very out of date page definately needs some updating.  Wether you do your research and still see the negative side of what she has been trying to express, or you see the positive side, that is up to you.  Where you stand does not affect my beliefs at all, and probably not much to anyone else but those who just dont believe in much.  But I am sure it matters a lot to you :)
 
no need to respond to this email I tend not to check it, just use it
and yes I know what wether in that context means :)


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From: Michael Davis  <mdavis19@i...>
Date: Fri Jun 14, 2002 11:43pm
Subject: Re: Fw: kook

 
Carl Wilson wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: paul mcmahon
> To: webmaster@k...: Friday, June 14, 2002
> 11:50 AMSubject: kook
>  I am just writing in response to your
> http://kook-watch.net/nancy/ page.  Everyone has their own
> opinions and well yours is quite dedicated.  I just have
> to say a couple things in response to that page.  First of
> all I do not believe what nancy and the zeta's are
> expressing is in anyway related to the other three figures
> on that page.  What nancy is trying to do is prove an
> existance of another planet, which may or may not come in
> the year of 2003 to do some damage.  She is not informing
> mass ammounts of people to come to a farm house so they
> can use psychokinetic power to disable out of reach
> objects, or come drink this cup filled with magic potion
> that (tends to kill) releases you from this boring place
> we call earth.  The only thing she offers is a chance to
> prepare (physically or mentally) for something may or may
> not come.  So your very out of date page definately needs
> some updating.  Wether you do your research and still see
> the negative side of what she has been trying to express,
> or you see the positive side, that is up to you.  Where
> you stand does not affect my beliefs at all, and probably
> not much to anyone else but those who just dont believe in
> much.  But I am sure it matters a lot to you :) no need to
> respond to this email I tend not to check it, just use
> itand yes I know what wether in that context means :)

Cool! Looks like I am getting the zeta kooks whipped into a
froth.

It should be interesting to see how the cult deals with the
failure of Nutty Nancy's prophesy in the next year.

--
Michael Davis
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