From: Carl Wilson  <carl@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 5:20am
Subject: Fw: What can a kook do, anyway?

The following is from Ugly Bob:



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ugly Bob" <ugly_bob42@h...>
To: "Carl Wilson" <carl@a...>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: What can a kook do, anyway?


> Hi Carl,
> 
>  I found something curious concerning our friend Ben Hogan.
> I did a whois look-up on his IP (63.201.227.98) and got this:
> 
> Darryl Lovato (NETBLK-SBCIS-100125-164959)
>    827 Loma Prieta Drive
>    Rio Del Mar, CA 95003
>    US
> 
>    Netname: SBCIS-100125-164959
>    Netblock: 63.201.227.96 - 63.201.227.103
> 
>    Coordinator:
>       Pacific Bell Internet  (PIA2-ORG-ARIN)  ip-admin@P...
>       888-212-5411
> 
>    Record last updated on 26-Jan-2000.
>    Database last updated on  2-Dec-2001 19:54:36 EDT.
> ___________________________________________________
> 
>  Then I searched the web and found this:
> 
> http://dmoz.org/profiles/dlovato.html
> 
> 
>  This is by no means conclusive but I just _had_ to tell
> someone. The part that caught my attention was the
> "hunting, fishing or flying private planes" part in the last
> sentence.
> 
>                                             -Ugly Bob
> 
> P.S. I just love your Hogan "spoofing." Especially the
> e-mail address.
> 
>

From: Carl Wilson  <carl@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 5:48am
Subject: Re: Fw: What can a kook do, anyway?

I think this info might be useful to ratchet up the paranoia level a bit.
What say you?



> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ugly Bob" <ugly_bob42@h...>
> To: "Carl Wilson" <carl@a...>
> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 10:44 PM
> Subject: Re: What can a kook do, anyway?
>
>
> > Hi Carl,
> >
> >  I found something curious concerning our friend Ben Hogan.
> > I did a whois look-up on his IP (63.201.227.98) and got this:
> >
> > Darryl Lovato (NETBLK-SBCIS-100125-164959)
> >    827 Loma Prieta Drive
> >    Rio Del Mar, CA 95003
> >    US
> >
> >    Netname: SBCIS-100125-164959
> >    Netblock: 63.201.227.96 - 63.201.227.103
> >
> >    Coordinator:
> >       Pacific Bell Internet  (PIA2-ORG-ARIN)  ip-admin@P...
> >       888-212-5411
> >
> >    Record last updated on 26-Jan-2000.
> >    Database last updated on  2-Dec-2001 19:54:36 EDT.
> > ___________________________________________________
> >
> >  Then I searched the web and found this:
> >
> > http://dmoz.org/profiles/dlovato.html
> >
> >
> >  This is by no means conclusive but I just _had_ to tell
> > someone. The part that caught my attention was the
> > "hunting, fishing or flying private planes" part in the last
> > sentence.
> >
> >                                             -Ugly Bob
> >
> > P.S. I just love your Hogan "spoofing." Especially the
> > e-mail address.
> >
> >
>
>
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From: Robert ASF  <ra_forti@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 7:12am
Subject: Re: Fw: What can a kook do, anyway?

Just Thought I Should Mention It



>From: Carl Wilson <carl@a...>
>Reply-To: AAR_Skeptics@yahoogroups.com
>To: AAR_Skeptics@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [AAR_Skeptics] Fw: What can a kook do, anyway?
>Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 23:48:29 -0600
>
>
>I think this info might be useful to ratchet up the paranoia level a bit.
>What say you?
>
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ugly Bob" <ugly_bob42@h...>
> > To: "Carl Wilson" <carl@a...>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 10:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: What can a kook do, anyway?
> >
> >
> > > Hi Carl,
> > >
> > >  I found something curious concerning our friend Ben Hogan.
> > > I did a whois look-up on his IP (63.201.227.98) and got this:
> > >
> > > Darryl Lovato (NETBLK-SBCIS-100125-164959)
> > >    827 Loma Prieta Drive
> > >    Rio Del Mar, CA 95003
> > >    US
> > >
> > >    Netname: SBCIS-100125-164959
> > >    Netblock: 63.201.227.96 - 63.201.227.103
> > >
> > >    Coordinator:
> > >       Pacific Bell Internet  (PIA2-ORG-ARIN)  ip-admin@P...
> > >       888-212-5411
> > >
> > >    Record last updated on 26-Jan-2000.
> > >    Database last updated on  2-Dec-2001 19:54:36 EDT.
> > > ___________________________________________________
> > >
> > >  Then I searched the web and found this:
> > >
> > > http://dmoz.org/profiles/dlovato.html
> > >
> > >
> > >  This is by no means conclusive but I just _had_ to tell
> > > someone. The part that caught my attention was the
> > > "hunting, fishing or flying private planes" part in the last
> > > sentence.
> > >
> > >                                             -Ugly Bob
> > >
> > > P.S. I just love your Hogan "spoofing." Especially the
> > > e-mail address.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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From: Robert ASF  <ra_forti@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 7:14am
Subject: Re: Fw: What can a kook do, anyway?

The question must be what to do with this...?

Just Thought I Should Mention It

> > > Darryl Lovato (NETBLK-SBCIS-100125-164959)
> > >    827 Loma Prieta Drive
> > >    Rio Del Mar, CA 95003
> > >    US
> > >
> > >    Netname: SBCIS-100125-164959
> > >    Netblock: 63.201.227.96 - 63.201.227.103
> > >
> > >    Coordinator:
> > >       Pacific Bell Internet  (PIA2-ORG-ARIN)  ip-admin@P...
> > >       888-212-5411


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From: Michael Davis  <mdavis19@i...>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 11:10am
Subject: Re: Fw: What can a kook do, anyway?

Robert ASF wrote:

>  The question must be what to do with this...?

I think on my next reply to Ben I will just casually call
him Darryl and see what happens. I'm hoping he will go
ballistic. Maybe all of us who reply to him should try it?

On a somewhat related issue, while reading a FAQ on another
net kook, I found a reference to Frager/Wholeflaffer's real
name. It may be Jerry Kolnick. The FAQ is at:
http://www.wilhelp.com/brad/

A quick web search on that name produces some references to
a Jerry Kolnick in Portland, OR. Frager/Wholeflaffer has
posted via Portland area ISPs over the years. Food for
thought.

Michael Davis

>
>
> Just Thought I Should Mention It
>
> > > > Darryl Lovato (NETBLK-SBCIS-100125-164959)
> > > >    827 Loma Prieta Drive
> > > >    Rio Del Mar, CA 95003
> > > >    US
> > > >
> > > >    Netname: SBCIS-100125-164959
> > > >    Netblock: 63.201.227.96 - 63.201.227.103
> > > >
> > > >    Coordinator:
> > > >       Pacific Bell Internet  (PIA2-ORG-ARIN)
> ip-admin@P...
> > > >       888-212-5411
>
>
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From: Bruce Hutchinson  <bhutch@g...>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 3:15pm
Subject: Re: Fw: What can a kook do, anyway?

Whoa!  

The IP number is part of a range of 8 numbers-  I think these posts 
are coming through Aladdin Systems.  Darryl happens to be the 
admin contact.

My guess is that our Ben Hogan, is an employee of Aladdin-  not 
Darryl.

If you need to drop a hint, ask him about his magic carpet.

Bruce


> I think on my next reply to Ben I will just casually call
> him Darryl and see what happens. I'm hoping he will go
> ballistic. Maybe all of us who reply to him should try it?
> 
> On a somewhat related issue, while reading a FAQ on another
> net kook, I found a reference to Frager/Wholeflaffer's real
> name. It may be Jerry Kolnick. The FAQ is at:
> http://www.wilhelp.com/brad/
> 
> A quick web search on that name produces some references to
> a Jerry Kolnick in Portland, OR. Frager/Wholeflaffer has
> posted via Portland area ISPs over the years. Food for
> thought.
> 
> Michael Davis
> 
> >
> >
> > Just Thought I Should Mention It
> >
> > > > > Darryl Lovato (NETBLK-SBCIS-100125-164959)
> > > > >    827 Loma Prieta Drive
> > > > >    Rio Del Mar, CA 95003
> > > > >    US
> > > > >
> > > > >    Netname: SBCIS-100125-164959
> > > > >    Netblock: 63.201.227.96 - 63.201.227.103
> > > > >
> > > > >    Coordinator:
> > > > >       Pacific Bell Internet  (PIA2-ORG-ARIN)
> > ip-admin@P...
> > > > >       888-212-5411
> >

From: Michael Davis  <mdavis19@i...>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 3:02pm
Subject: Re: Fw: What can a kook do, anyway?

Bruce Hutchinson wrote:

>
> Whoa!
>
> The IP number is part of a range of 8 numbers-  I think these posts
> are coming through Aladdin Systems.  Darryl happens to be the
> admin contact.
>
> My guess is that our Ben Hogan, is an employee of Aladdin-  not
> Darryl.

You could be right. I doubt old Bennie is bright enough to be an
admin.

> If you need to drop a hint, ask him about his magic carpet.

I'll rethink my strategy.

--
Michael Davis

>
>
>
> > I think on my next reply to Ben I will just casually call
> > him Darryl and see what happens. I'm hoping he will go
> > ballistic. Maybe all of us who reply to him should try it?
> >
> > On a somewhat related issue, while reading a FAQ on another
> > net kook, I found a reference to Frager/Wholeflaffer's real
> > name. It may be Jerry Kolnick. The FAQ is at:
> > http://www.wilhelp.com/brad/
> >
> > A quick web search on that name produces some references to
> > a Jerry Kolnick in Portland, OR. Frager/Wholeflaffer has
> > posted via Portland area ISPs over the years. Food for
> > thought.
> >
> > Michael Davis
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Just Thought I Should Mention It
> > >
> > > > > > Darryl Lovato (NETBLK-SBCIS-100125-164959)
> > > > > >    827 Loma Prieta Drive
> > > > > >    Rio Del Mar, CA 95003
> > > > > >    US
> > > > > >
> > > > > >    Netname: SBCIS-100125-164959
> > > > > >    Netblock: 63.201.227.96 - 63.201.227.103
> > > > > >
> > > > > >    Coordinator:
> > > > > >       Pacific Bell Internet  (PIA2-ORG-ARIN)
> > > ip-admin@P...
> > > > > >       888-212-5411
> > >
>
>
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From: Carl Wilson  <carl@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 5, 2001 5:26pm
Subject: Re: Fw: What can a kook do, anyway?

But remember the info that Ugly Bob found on Darryl Lovato at
http://dmoz.org/profiles/dlovato.html

"Darryl is a co-founder and VP/Cheif Technical Officer of Aladdin Systems,
Inc, makers of the StuffIt compression line. When he is not working on new
compression algorithms or designing new internet utilities, he can be found
spending time with his family, hunting, fishing or flying private planes"

Remember how Ben said he was a pilot?  That and his email address is
bearhunterman@h...  Sounds like Ben and Darryl are one and the same.

>
> Whoa!
>
> The IP number is part of a range of 8 numbers-  I think these posts
> are coming through Aladdin Systems.  Darryl happens to be the
> admin contact.
>
> My guess is that our Ben Hogan, is an employee of Aladdin-  not
> Darryl.
>
> If you need to drop a hint, ask him about his magic carpet.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> > I think on my next reply to Ben I will just casually call
> > him Darryl and see what happens. I'm hoping he will go
> > ballistic. Maybe all of us who reply to him should try it?
> >
> > On a somewhat related issue, while reading a FAQ on another
> > net kook, I found a reference to Frager/Wholeflaffer's real
> > name. It may be Jerry Kolnick. The FAQ is at:
> > http://www.wilhelp.com/brad/
> >
> > A quick web search on that name produces some references to
> > a Jerry Kolnick in Portland, OR. Frager/Wholeflaffer has
> > posted via Portland area ISPs over the years. Food for
> > thought.
> >
> > Michael Davis
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Just Thought I Should Mention It
> > >
> > > > > > Darryl Lovato (NETBLK-SBCIS-100125-164959)
> > > > > >    827 Loma Prieta Drive
> > > > > >    Rio Del Mar, CA 95003
> > > > > >    US
> > > > > >
> > > > > >    Netname: SBCIS-100125-164959
> > > > > >    Netblock: 63.201.227.96 - 63.201.227.103
> > > > > >
> > > > > >    Coordinator:
> > > > > >       Pacific Bell Internet  (PIA2-ORG-ARIN)
> > > ip-admin@P...
> > > > > >       888-212-5411
> > >
>
>
>
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From: Ugly Bob  <ugly_bob42@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 6:55am
Subject: password

Hi guys,

 This is just peachy. I join AAR_Skeptics by clicking on the URL
provided in the e-mail. Great. So "go here," it says and I go there.
Bam, I'm there. So, how do I see the goddamn messages? Hmm,
I know, I'll sign in. I click on the "sigh in" gadget and it prompts me
for an ID and password. Password? What the fu... Nobody said
anything about a password. Who set this thing up, anyway? So, I
guess I'm a member but security is so tight that I'm not allowed to
know my ID and password. That reminds me of the story of the
paranoid security guards that invite people to their parties only to
deny them admittance. I'd appreciate it if someone would drop me
a line and tell me how stupid I am. Thanks.

                                                                  -Ugly Bob

From: Bruce Hutchinson  <bhutch@g...>
Date: Sun Dec 9, 2001 3:33am
Subject: Re: password

You're not the only one that found the "login" experience too ugly for 
words.  I don't think I got it right- never cared to go back and find 
out.  Someday when I am feeling masochistic, I might try again.

Bruce



>  Hi guys,
> 
>  This is just peachy. I join AAR_Skeptics by clicking on the URL
> provided in the e-mail. Great. So "go here," it says and I go there.
> Bam, I'm there. So, how do I see the goddamn messages? Hmm,
> I know, I'll sign in. I click on the "sigh in" gadget and it prompts me
> for an ID and password. Password? What the fu... Nobody said
> anything about a password. Who set this thing up, anyway? So, I
> guess I'm a member but security is so tight that I'm not allowed to
> know my ID and password. That reminds me of the story of the
> paranoid security guards that invite people to their parties only to
> deny them admittance. I'd appreciate it if someone would drop me
> a line and tell me how stupid I am. Thanks.
> 
>                                                                   -Ugly Bob
> 
> 
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>  
> 
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> 
> 
>

From: Michael Davis  <mdavis19@i...>
Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 1:09pm
Subject: Anybody seen Ben Hogan?

Has anybody seen a post from Ben Hogan lately? Back on Monday in
message                          3C15462B.594DE1D2@i... I
took a gamble and casually called him Darryl. Well he seems to have
vanished immediately after that. Maybe that was really his name. I'm
thinking he's hiding under his bed right now hoping the MIB don't come
for him.

--
Michael Davis

From: Michael Davis  <mdavis19@i...>
Date: Fri Dec 14, 2001 5:18pm
Subject: Re: Anybody seen Ben Hogan?

Michael Davis wrote:

>  Has anybody seen a post from Ben Hogan lately? Back on Monday in
> message                          3C15462B.594DE1D2@i... I
> took a gamble and casually called him Darryl. Well he seems to have
> vanished immediately after that. Maybe that was really his name. I'm
>
> thinking he's hiding under his bed right now hoping the MIB don't
> come
> for him.
>
> --
> Michael Davis

Oooops! Spoke too soon. He's back.

--
Michael Davis

From: Carl Wilson  <carl@a...>
Date: Sat Dec 15, 2001 6:03am
Subject: Re: Anybody seen Ben Hogan?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Davis" <mdavis19@i...>
To: <AAR_Skeptics@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AAR_Skeptics] Anybody seen Ben Hogan?


> Michael Davis wrote:
>
> >  Has anybody seen a post from Ben Hogan lately? Back on Monday in
> > message                          3C15462B.594DE1D2@i... I
> > took a gamble and casually called him Darryl. Well he seems to have
> > vanished immediately after that. Maybe that was really his name. I'm
> >
> > thinking he's hiding under his bed right now hoping the MIB don't
> > come
> > for him.
> >
> > --
> > Michael Davis
>
> Oooops! Spoke too soon. He's back.
>
> --
> Michael Davis

Maybe he figured that no one noticed.  Let's all call him Darryl and see
what happens.

From: Carl Wilson  <carl@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 11:07am
Subject: "Tw0nky"

Be sure to check out " "Tw0nky's" latest post in a.a.v. with the subject of
"Just thinking".  It's a classic!

From: Carl Wilson  <carl@a...>
Date: Mon Dec 24, 2001 6:59am
Subject: www.kook-watch.net?

Check out ol' Twonky!  He's even adopted the new name of "Twacky" that I
gave him!

I've been thinking about giving up my alt-atheism.org domain and registering
either 'kook-watch.org' or 'kook-watch-net'.  I'm sure you've all noticed
how it irritates many of the kooks when they find out that their kookrants
have been turned into a webpage.

I thought maybe we could do this as a 'group dig' at the kooks.  We could
all design and ftp in webpages and have email addresses like
mdavis@k...  and the like!

Whatcha think?  Might be fun and piss off the kooks at the same time.