From: Michael Davis  <mdavis19@i...>
Date: Mon Dec 24, 2001 4:59pm
Subject: Re: www.kook-watch.net?

Carl Wilson wrote:

>  Check out ol' Twonky!  He's even adopted the new name of
> "Twacky" that I
> gave him!
>
> I've been thinking about giving up my alt-atheism.org
> domain and registering
> either 'kook-watch.org' or 'kook-watch-net'.  I'm sure
> you've all noticed
> how it irritates many of the kooks when they find out that
> their kookrants
> have been turned into a webpage.
>
> I thought maybe we could do this as a 'group dig' at the
> kooks.  We could
> all design and ftp in webpages and have email addresses
> like
> mdavis@k...  and the like!
>
> Whatcha think?  Might be fun and piss off the kooks at the
> same time.

What's it going to cost? You may have noticed that all my
pages dedicated to kooks are hosted on free servers. I
personally don't feel that the kooks are worth spending any
money on. There is no real chance of recouping the costs
involved and it just becomes an on-going expense. There is
another reason I host the pages on free servers rather than
on any of my own domains. Sometimes the kooks can really go
ballistic and fire off enough complaints to the hosting
company to get a site shut down. It has happened to me in
the past. Now I completely insulate my money making sites
and personal web site from the kook web sites. That way an
irate kook can't shut down more than the site dedicated to
him if he manages to get the hosting company to take his
complaints seriously. If you decide to go through with this,
I suggest you find a hosting company with a really liberal
acceptable use policy. That's probably going to be a company
that hosts a lot of porn sites and/or other types of
controversial sites. They won't be so quick to shut you down
if they get flooded with complaints from an irate kook.

--
Michael Davis

From: Carl Wilson  <carl@a...>
Date: Mon Dec 24, 2001 10:57pm
Subject: Re: www.kook-watch.net?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Davis" <mdavis19@i...>
To: <AAR_Skeptics@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AAR_Skeptics] www.kook-watch.net?


> Carl Wilson wrote:
>
> >  Check out ol' Twonky!  He's even adopted the new name of
> > "Twacky" that I
> > gave him!
> >
> > I've been thinking about giving up my alt-atheism.org
> > domain and registering
> > either 'kook-watch.org' or 'kook-watch-net'.  I'm sure
> > you've all noticed
> > how it irritates many of the kooks when they find out that
> > their kookrants
> > have been turned into a webpage.
> >
> > I thought maybe we could do this as a 'group dig' at the
> > kooks.  We could
> > all design and ftp in webpages and have email addresses
> > like
> > mdavis@k...  and the like!
> >
> > Whatcha think?  Might be fun and piss off the kooks at the
> > same time.
>
> What's it going to cost?

Just the cost of registering the domain.  I'll take care of that part of it.
We can use the site that currently hosts the alt-atheism.org domain.  It's
already paid for, and I'm losing interest in maintaining the alt-atheism.org
website, so I though we could use it to host this other domain.

>You may have noticed that all my
> pages dedicated to kooks are hosted on free servers. I
> personally don't feel that the kooks are worth spending any
> money on. There is no real chance of recouping the costs
> involved and it just becomes an on-going expense.

True, but I've already paid for the webhosting (expires October IIRC) and
the only other expense would be the domain registration.

> There is
> another reason I host the pages on free servers rather than
> on any of my own domains. Sometimes the kooks can really go
> ballistic and fire off enough complaints to the hosting
> company to get a site shut down. It has happened to me in
> the past.

That is a possibility.  But in the meantime it might be a lot of fun.  We
could also reduce the chances of getting it pulled by not naming them
directly.  Just place their kooky quotes on a page (minus their name) with a
link to google showing the complete message.  If nothing else, just having
them see messages posted by someone@k... ought to ramp up their
paranioa.  Some of them already think that some of us belong to some "shadow
organization".  I've also thought about using 'ufo-kook-watch.net' as a
domain name as well.

> Now I completely insulate my money making sites
> and personal web site from the kook web sites. That way an
> irate kook can't shut down more than the site dedicated to
> him if he manages to get the hosting company to take his
> complaints seriously. If you decide to go through with this,
> I suggest you find a hosting company with a really liberal
> acceptable use policy. That's probably going to be a company
> that hosts a lot of porn sites and/or other types of
> controversial sites. They won't be so quick to shut you down
> if they get flooded with complaints from an irate kook.

The hosting is already paid for.  All I have to do is logon at my hosting
company and create the new domain after I register it.  The hosting is
already paid for through October I think.

If anyone can think of a better sounding domain name, post it here.  If been
thinking about the following:

kook-watch.net
kook-watch.org
ufo-kook-watch.net
ufo-kook-watch.org
crackpot-watch.net
crackpot-watch.org
ufo-crackpot-watch.net
ufo-crackpot-watch.org
watchingyou.org

From: Carl Wilson  <carl@a...>
Date: Mon Dec 24, 2001 11:03pm
Subject: Re: www.kook-watch.net?

Here's a site doing something similar

http://www.crank.net/

From: Michael Davis  <mdavis19@i...>
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2001 0:31am
Subject: Re: www.kook-watch.net?

Carl Wilson wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Davis" <mdavis19@i...>
> To: <AAR_Skeptics@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 10:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [AAR_Skeptics] www.kook-watch.net?
>
>
> > Carl Wilson wrote:
> >
> > >  Check out ol' Twonky!  He's even adopted the new name
> of
> > > "Twacky" that I
> > > gave him!
> > >
> > > I've been thinking about giving up my alt-atheism.org
> > > domain and registering
> > > either 'kook-watch.org' or 'kook-watch-net'.  I'm sure
>
> > > you've all noticed
> > > how it irritates many of the kooks when they find out
> that
> > > their kookrants
> > > have been turned into a webpage.
> > >
> > > I thought maybe we could do this as a 'group dig' at
> the
> > > kooks.  We could
> > > all design and ftp in webpages and have email
> addresses
> > > like
> > > mdavis@k...  and the like!
> > >
> > > Whatcha think?  Might be fun and piss off the kooks at
> the
> > > same time.
> >
> > What's it going to cost?
>
> Just the cost of registering the domain.  I'll take care
> of that part of it.
> We can use the site that currently hosts the
> alt-atheism.org domain.  It's
> already paid for, and I'm losing interest in maintaining
> the alt-atheism.org
> website, so I though we could use it to host this other
> domain.
>
> >You may have noticed that all my
> > pages dedicated to kooks are hosted on free servers. I
> > personally don't feel that the kooks are worth spending
> any
> > money on. There is no real chance of recouping the costs
>
> > involved and it just becomes an on-going expense.
>
> True, but I've already paid for the webhosting (expires
> October IIRC) and
> the only other expense would be the domain registration.
>
> > There is
> > another reason I host the pages on free servers rather
> than
> > on any of my own domains. Sometimes the kooks can really
> go
> > ballistic and fire off enough complaints to the hosting
> > company to get a site shut down. It has happened to me
> in
> > the past.
>
> That is a possibility.  But in the meantime it might be a
> lot of fun.  We
> could also reduce the chances of getting it pulled by not
> naming them
> directly.  Just place their kooky quotes on a page (minus
> their name) with a
> link to google showing the complete message.  If nothing
> else, just having
> them see messages posted by someone@k... ought
> to ramp up their
> paranioa.  Some of them already think that some of us
> belong to some "shadow
> organization".  I've also thought about using
> 'ufo-kook-watch.net' as a
> domain name as well.
>
> > Now I completely insulate my money making sites
> > and personal web site from the kook web sites. That way
> an
> > irate kook can't shut down more than the site dedicated
> to
> > him if he manages to get the hosting company to take his
>
> > complaints seriously. If you decide to go through with
> this,
> > I suggest you find a hosting company with a really
> liberal
> > acceptable use policy. That's probably going to be a
> company
> > that hosts a lot of porn sites and/or other types of
> > controversial sites. They won't be so quick to shut you
> down
> > if they get flooded with complaints from an irate kook.
>
> The hosting is already paid for.  All I have to do is
> logon at my hosting
> company and create the new domain after I register it.
> The hosting is
> already paid for through October I think.
>
> If anyone can think of a better sounding domain name, post
> it here.  If been
> thinking about the following:
>
> kook-watch.net
> kook-watch.org
> ufo-kook-watch.net
> ufo-kook-watch.org
> crackpot-watch.net
> crackpot-watch.org
> ufo-crackpot-watch.net
> ufo-crackpot-watch.org
> watchingyou.org

usenet-kooks.org
kooks-r-us.org
morons-among-us.org
kooks-on-the-loose.org
kookfarts.org
stupid-people.org
kook-surveillance.org
kook-control.org
kookstompers.org

I really like the ones that are likely to crank up their
paranoia. Anything that sounds like we would be controlling
or censoring or surveiling the kooks should make them go
ballistic.

--
Michael Davis

From: Carl Wilson  <carl@a...>
Date: Tue Dec 25, 2001 0:53am
Subject: Re: www.kook-watch.net?

> > If anyone can think of a better sounding domain name, post
> > it here.  If been
> > thinking about the following:
> >
> > kook-watch.net
> > kook-watch.org
> > ufo-kook-watch.net
> > ufo-kook-watch.org
> > crackpot-watch.net
> > crackpot-watch.org
> > ufo-crackpot-watch.net
> > ufo-crackpot-watch.org
> > watchingyou.org
>
> usenet-kooks.org
> kooks-r-us.org
> morons-among-us.org
> kooks-on-the-loose.org
> kookfarts.org
> stupid-people.org
> kook-surveillance.org
> kook-control.org
> kookstompers.org
>
> I really like the ones that are likely to crank up their
> paranoia. Anything that sounds like we would be controlling
> or censoring or surveiling the kooks should make them go
> ballistic.
>
> --
> Michael Davis

I think I'll go with kook.watch.net, as the *.net top-level domain name
implies some sort of a network.  That alone might add a bit to their
paranoia.;-)

From: Carl Wilson  <carl_w@s...>
Date: Wed Dec 26, 2001 2:28am
Subject: kook-watch.net

Well, kook-watch.net is alive and well!  It's rough and needs material, but
it's a start.  If you'd like your very own @kook-watch.net e-mail address,
just send me a personal email to carl_w@s... with the name and
password you'd like to use.

From: Michael Davis  <mdavis19@i...>
Date: Thu Dec 27, 2001 0:35am
Subject: Re: kook-watch.net

Carl Wilson wrote:

>  Well, kook-watch.net is alive and well!  It's rough and
> needs material, but
> it's a start.  If you'd like your very own @kook-watch.net
> e-mail address,
> just send me a personal email to carl_w@s... with
> the name and
> password you'd like to use.

Your request for material has been answered. I have uploaded
most of my own kook pages to kook-watch. One of the good
ones (I think) is my "What is a kook?" page. You may want to
consider linking to it from the top level page. It is at:
http://kook-watch.net/mdavis/kooks/kooks.html

Some of the other material I have uploaded is:

http://kook-watch.net/mdavis/FlySpecks/ - My FlySpecks Quote
Archive.

http://kook-watch.net/mdavis/RayRichey/ - My page dedicated
to Ray.

http://kook-watch.net/mdavis/Twonky/ - My still unfinished
but growing Twonky page.

http://kook-watch.net/mdavis/dictionary/ - The Woo-Woo
Dictionary.

http://kook-watch.net/mdavis/believers/ - My "Stupid Things
Believers Say" page.

http://kook-watch.net/mdavis/saucernut/ - My "You May Be A
Saucernut If..." page.

http://kook-watch.net/mdavis/religion/ - My "UFOism ia a
religion" page.

If I get a chance I may try to work up some snazzy graphics
for the site. I have some ideas along the lines of the "all
seeing eye" that should give the kooks paranoid visions of
us being aligned with the Freemasons and the Illuminati.
That should really ratchet up the paranoia level.

--
Michael Davis

From: Carl Wilson  <carl_w@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 27, 2001 5:49am
Subject: Re: kook-watch.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Davis" <mdavis19@i...>
To: <AAR_Skeptics@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AAR_Skeptics] kook-watch.net


> Carl Wilson wrote:
>
> >  Well, kook-watch.net is alive and well!  It's rough and
> > needs material, but
> > it's a start.  If you'd like your very own @kook-watch.net
> > e-mail address,
> > just send me a personal email to carl_w@s... with
> > the name and
> > password you'd like to use.
>
> Your request for material has been answered. I have uploaded
> most of my own kook pages to kook-watch. One of the good
> ones (I think) is my "What is a kook?" page. You may want to
> consider linking to it from the top level page. It is at:
> http://kook-watch.net/mdavis/kooks/kooks.html
>
> Some of the other material I have uploaded is:
>
> http://kook-watch.net/mdavis/FlySpecks/ - My FlySpecks Quote
> Archive.
>
> http://kook-watch.net/mdavis/RayRichey/ - My page dedicated
> to Ray.
>
> http://kook-watch.net/mdavis/Twonky/ - My still unfinished
> but growing Twonky page.
>
> http://kook-watch.net/mdavis/dictionary/ - The Woo-Woo
> Dictionary.
>
> http://kook-watch.net/mdavis/believers/ - My "Stupid Things
> Believers Say" page.
>
> http://kook-watch.net/mdavis/saucernut/ - My "You May Be A
> Saucernut If..." page.
>
> http://kook-watch.net/mdavis/religion/ - My "UFOism ia a
> religion" page.

Done!  Links added and search engine re-indexed!

> If I get a chance I may try to work up some snazzy graphics
> for the site. I have some ideas along the lines of the "all
> seeing eye" that should give the kooks paranoid visions of
> us being aligned with the Freemasons and the Illuminati.
> That should really ratchet up the paranoia level.
>
> --
> Michael Davis

Heh!  You know, I was thinking the same thing.  Been trying to find a nice
graphic of the "eye and pyramid"  They also have a thing for pyramids you
know! ;-)

From: Carl Wilson  <carl_w@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 27, 2001 8:35am
Subject: http://www.universe-people.com/

Check this kook site out! (http://www.universe-people.com/)  Check out the
cheesy "UFO" pictures in the right frame!

From: Michael Davis  <mdavis19@i...>
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2002 9:37pm
Subject: Strange email from Ben Hogan

Hello all,

I got the following strange email from Ben Hogan last night. Did anyone else get
one? Looks like the "Darryl" thing pushed him over the edge.

--
Michael Davis


Subject: New years resolution - from Ben

Ben Hogan wrote:

> Michael,
>
> About a month ago, I was invited to join a select online group of people
> including some pretty high placed individuals, so one of my new years
> resolutions is to "leave" the Newsgroups in favor of this new forum.  I've
> found it to be much more productive, and takes up much less time.  Futher,
> in the new forum, my true identity is held with respect, unlike what I
> experienced on AAV, AAR, etc.  I'll be able to do much more good in the new
> place, with much less potential harm to me.
>
> It hasn't really been fun on the newsgroups, but it has been interesting.  I
> wish you the best, including the ability to open your mind at some point in
> the future.  You'll eventually "Get it".  You won't have to wait much
> longer...
>
> You can call me a kook if you want, but history will prove you are wrong.  I
> know you can't imagine being wrong at this point, but you will, one day,
> understand.  Anyway, of all the people that tried to "debunk" me, you were
> the "best".
>
> Happy trails,
>
> - Ben
>
> "You have to know the facts about UFO's, and once you do, you'll realize why
> we can't tell the people"
> - Margaret Thatcher - Former British Prime Minister
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

From: Carl Wilson  <carl_w@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2002 4:57am
Subject: Re: Strange email from Ben Hogan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Davis" <mdavis19@i...>
To: <AAR_Skeptics@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 3:37 PM
Subject: [AAR_Skeptics] Strange email from Ben Hogan


> Hello all,
>
> I got the following strange email from Ben Hogan last night. Did anyone
else get
> one? Looks like the "Darryl" thing pushed him over the edge.
>
> --
> Michael Davis

I didn't get any email from Ben, but I think the "Darryl" thing was getting
to him.  Any time someone made a reference to his real name, he'd get quiet
for awhile.


> Subject: New years resolution - from Ben
>
> Ben Hogan wrote:
>
> > Michael,
> >
> > About a month ago, I was invited to join a select online group of people
> > including some pretty high placed individuals, so one of my new years
> > resolutions is to "leave" the Newsgroups in favor of this new forum.
I've
> > found it to be much more productive, and takes up much less time.
Futher,
> > in the new forum, my true identity is held with respect, unlike what I
> > experienced on AAV, AAR, etc.  I'll be able to do much more good in the
new
> > place, with much less potential harm to me.
> >
> > It hasn't really been fun on the newsgroups, but it has been
interesting.  I
> > wish you the best, including the ability to open your mind at some point
in
> > the future.  You'll eventually "Get it".  You won't have to wait much
> > longer...
> >
> > You can call me a kook if you want, but history will prove you are
wrong.  I
> > know you can't imagine being wrong at this point, but you will, one day,
> > understand.  Anyway, of all the people that tried to "debunk" me, you
were
> > the "best".
> >
> > Happy trails,
> >
> > - Ben
> >
> > "You have to know the facts about UFO's, and once you do, you'll realize
why
> > we can't tell the people"
> > - Margaret Thatcher - Former British Prime Minister
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
>

From: Robert ASF  <ra_forti@h...>
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2002 9:47am
Subject: Re: Strange email from Ben Hogan

snip

> > I got the following strange email from Ben Hogan last night. Did anyone
>else get
> > one? Looks like the "Darryl" thing pushed him over the edge.

>I didn't get any email from Ben, but I think the "Darryl" thing was getting
>to him.  Any time someone made a reference to his real name, he'd get quiet
>for awhile.

I still he is a nut case, what is this about "real" identity, like he is 
secretly an alien or something? His comments about his new group sound 
elitest and rather weird... maybe he joined a cult? I did not get this 
email, so Mike why not quote it as a new sig file :-)


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From: Bruce Hutchinson  <bhutch@g...>
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2002 7:08pm
Subject: Re: Strange email from Ben Hogan

Happy New Year to All

FWIIW, a new poster has appeared (Once, so far) on the UFO 
UPdates list-  A Jean Meiners who has a uswest.com addy (which 
puts this poster on the right coast, anyway).  Dunno if we are 
looking at the same guy-  and there are lots of UFO-centered list-
serves and private groups out there.

I'll watch for this guy and see if he starts exhibilting the same kook 
qualities of Ben.

Bruce


From:           	Michael Davis <mdavis19@i...>
Date sent:      	Wed, 02 Jan 2002 16:37:28 -0500
Subject:        	[AAR_Skeptics] Strange email from Ben Hogan

> Hello all,
> 
> I got the following strange email from Ben Hogan last night. Did anyone else get
> one? Looks like the "Darryl" thing pushed him over the edge.
> 
> --
> Michael Davis
> 
> 
> Subject: New years resolution - from Ben
> 
> Ben Hogan wrote:
> 
> > Michael,
> >
> > About a month ago, I was invited to join a select online group of people
> > including some pretty high placed individuals, so one of my new years
> > resolutions is to "leave" the Newsgroups in favor of this new forum.  I've
> > found it to be much more productive, and takes up much less time.  Futher,
> > in the new forum, my true identity is held with respect, unlike what I
> > experienced on AAV, AAR, etc.  I'll be able to do much more good in the new
> > place, with much less potential harm to me.
> >
> > It hasn't really been fun on the newsgroups, but it has been interesting.  I
> > wish you the best, including the ability to open your mind at some point in
> > the future.  You'll eventually "Get it".  You won't have to wait much
> > longer...
> >
> > You can call me a kook if you want, but history will prove you are wrong.  I
> > know you can't imagine being wrong at this point, but you will, one day,
> > understand.  Anyway, of all the people that tried to "debunk" me, you were
> > the "best".
> >
> > Happy trails,
> >
> > - Ben
> >
> > "You have to know the facts about UFO's, and once you do, you'll realize why
> > we can't tell the people"
> > - Margaret Thatcher - Former British Prime Minister
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
>

From: Michael Davis  <mdavis19@i...>
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 1:57am
Subject: Fwd: This has to go up on your kook page....

Hi all,

The URL below was sent to me by midnyte (Twonky's main nemesis).
It really shows a scary level of stupidity. Has anyone else
noticed the number of people on Usenet from The Netherlands who
claim that physics is all wrong? JosX and about a dozen more of
Nutty Nancy Lieder's most vocal followers all post from there
too and they all also argue that Einstein was wrong, escape
velocity doesn't exist, etc., etc. The school system over there
really must suck.

Carl, can you think of a way to work this into Kook-Watch?

--
Michael Davis

midnyte wrote:

> This simply has to go up on your kook page... brace yourself
> for some serious ROFL'ing.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/1917/proof.html
>
> ...and he's willing to die for it too, how sad.
>
> Mid.

From: Carl Wilson  <carl_w@s...>
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 5:16am
Subject: Re: Fwd: This has to go up on your kook page....

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Davis" <mdavis19@i...>
To: <AAR_Skeptics@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:57 PM
Subject: [AAR_Skeptics] Fwd: This has to go up on your kook page....


> Hi all,
>
> The URL below was sent to me by midnyte (Twonky's main nemesis).
> It really shows a scary level of stupidity. Has anyone else
> noticed the number of people on Usenet from The Netherlands who
> claim that physics is all wrong? JosX and about a dozen more of
> Nutty Nancy Lieder's most vocal followers all post from there
> too and they all also argue that Einstein was wrong, escape
> velocity doesn't exist, etc., etc. The school system over there
> really must suck.

I'm not sure what the deal is with The Netherlands.  They seem to latch onto
crazy ideas very easily for some reason.  When I first went to Europe in
1978 on a REFORGER (REturn FORces to GERmany) exercise I ran into some Dutch
troops.  They had a unionized army at the time, and they all had long hair,
beards etc.  Got paid overtime for anything over 40 hours per week, and
lacked anything resembling discipline.  In fact most of the guys I met were
AWOL at the time I met them.  They decided to "take some time off in
Germany" rather than participate in the exercise.

Maybe their willingness to accept anything that comes along is a byproduct
of the ultra-liberal mentality they seem to have.


> Carl, can you think of a way to work this into Kook-Watch?


I'll add that to my list of KookLinks(tm)!

> --
> Michael Davis
>
> midnyte wrote:
>
> > This simply has to go up on your kook page... brace yourself
> > for some serious ROFL'ing.
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/1917/proof.html
> >
> > ...and he's willing to die for it too, how sad.
> >
> > Mid.