From: Michael Davis  <mdavis19@i...>
Date: Wed Jan 2, 2002 9:37pm
Subject: Strange email from Ben Hogan

Hello all,

I got the following strange email from Ben Hogan last night. Did anyone else get
one? Looks like the "Darryl" thing pushed him over the edge.

--
Michael Davis


Subject: New years resolution - from Ben

Ben Hogan wrote:

> Michael,
>
> About a month ago, I was invited to join a select online group of people
> including some pretty high placed individuals, so one of my new years
> resolutions is to "leave" the Newsgroups in favor of this new forum.  I've
> found it to be much more productive, and takes up much less time.  Futher,
> in the new forum, my true identity is held with respect, unlike what I
> experienced on AAV, AAR, etc.  I'll be able to do much more good in the new
> place, with much less potential harm to me.
>
> It hasn't really been fun on the newsgroups, but it has been interesting.  I
> wish you the best, including the ability to open your mind at some point in
> the future.  You'll eventually "Get it".  You won't have to wait much
> longer...
>
> You can call me a kook if you want, but history will prove you are wrong.  I
> know you can't imagine being wrong at this point, but you will, one day,
> understand.  Anyway, of all the people that tried to "debunk" me, you were
> the "best".
>
> Happy trails,
>
> - Ben
>
> "You have to know the facts about UFO's, and once you do, you'll realize why
> we can't tell the people"
> - Margaret Thatcher - Former British Prime Minister
>
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From: Carl Wilson  <carl_w@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2002 4:57am
Subject: Re: Strange email from Ben Hogan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Davis" <mdavis19@i...>
To: <AAR_Skeptics@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 3:37 PM
Subject: [AAR_Skeptics] Strange email from Ben Hogan


> Hello all,
>
> I got the following strange email from Ben Hogan last night. Did anyone
else get
> one? Looks like the "Darryl" thing pushed him over the edge.
>
> --
> Michael Davis

I didn't get any email from Ben, but I think the "Darryl" thing was getting
to him.  Any time someone made a reference to his real name, he'd get quiet
for awhile.


> Subject: New years resolution - from Ben
>
> Ben Hogan wrote:
>
> > Michael,
> >
> > About a month ago, I was invited to join a select online group of people
> > including some pretty high placed individuals, so one of my new years
> > resolutions is to "leave" the Newsgroups in favor of this new forum.
I've
> > found it to be much more productive, and takes up much less time.
Futher,
> > in the new forum, my true identity is held with respect, unlike what I
> > experienced on AAV, AAR, etc.  I'll be able to do much more good in the
new
> > place, with much less potential harm to me.
> >
> > It hasn't really been fun on the newsgroups, but it has been
interesting.  I
> > wish you the best, including the ability to open your mind at some point
in
> > the future.  You'll eventually "Get it".  You won't have to wait much
> > longer...
> >
> > You can call me a kook if you want, but history will prove you are
wrong.  I
> > know you can't imagine being wrong at this point, but you will, one day,
> > understand.  Anyway, of all the people that tried to "debunk" me, you
were
> > the "best".
> >
> > Happy trails,
> >
> > - Ben
> >
> > "You have to know the facts about UFO's, and once you do, you'll realize
why
> > we can't tell the people"
> > - Margaret Thatcher - Former British Prime Minister
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
>

From: Robert ASF  <ra_forti@h...>
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2002 9:47am
Subject: Re: Strange email from Ben Hogan

snip

> > I got the following strange email from Ben Hogan last night. Did anyone
>else get
> > one? Looks like the "Darryl" thing pushed him over the edge.

>I didn't get any email from Ben, but I think the "Darryl" thing was getting
>to him.  Any time someone made a reference to his real name, he'd get quiet
>for awhile.

I still he is a nut case, what is this about "real" identity, like he is 
secretly an alien or something? His comments about his new group sound 
elitest and rather weird... maybe he joined a cult? I did not get this 
email, so Mike why not quote it as a new sig file :-)


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From: Bruce Hutchinson  <bhutch@g...>
Date: Thu Jan 3, 2002 7:08pm
Subject: Re: Strange email from Ben Hogan

Happy New Year to All

FWIIW, a new poster has appeared (Once, so far) on the UFO 
UPdates list-  A Jean Meiners who has a uswest.com addy (which 
puts this poster on the right coast, anyway).  Dunno if we are 
looking at the same guy-  and there are lots of UFO-centered list-
serves and private groups out there.

I'll watch for this guy and see if he starts exhibilting the same kook 
qualities of Ben.

Bruce


From:           	Michael Davis <mdavis19@i...>
Date sent:      	Wed, 02 Jan 2002 16:37:28 -0500
Subject:        	[AAR_Skeptics] Strange email from Ben Hogan

> Hello all,
> 
> I got the following strange email from Ben Hogan last night. Did anyone else get
> one? Looks like the "Darryl" thing pushed him over the edge.
> 
> --
> Michael Davis
> 
> 
> Subject: New years resolution - from Ben
> 
> Ben Hogan wrote:
> 
> > Michael,
> >
> > About a month ago, I was invited to join a select online group of people
> > including some pretty high placed individuals, so one of my new years
> > resolutions is to "leave" the Newsgroups in favor of this new forum.  I've
> > found it to be much more productive, and takes up much less time.  Futher,
> > in the new forum, my true identity is held with respect, unlike what I
> > experienced on AAV, AAR, etc.  I'll be able to do much more good in the new
> > place, with much less potential harm to me.
> >
> > It hasn't really been fun on the newsgroups, but it has been interesting.  I
> > wish you the best, including the ability to open your mind at some point in
> > the future.  You'll eventually "Get it".  You won't have to wait much
> > longer...
> >
> > You can call me a kook if you want, but history will prove you are wrong.  I
> > know you can't imagine being wrong at this point, but you will, one day,
> > understand.  Anyway, of all the people that tried to "debunk" me, you were
> > the "best".
> >
> > Happy trails,
> >
> > - Ben
> >
> > "You have to know the facts about UFO's, and once you do, you'll realize why
> > we can't tell the people"
> > - Margaret Thatcher - Former British Prime Minister
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
>

From: Michael Davis  <mdavis19@i...>
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 1:57am
Subject: Fwd: This has to go up on your kook page....

Hi all,

The URL below was sent to me by midnyte (Twonky's main nemesis).
It really shows a scary level of stupidity. Has anyone else
noticed the number of people on Usenet from The Netherlands who
claim that physics is all wrong? JosX and about a dozen more of
Nutty Nancy Lieder's most vocal followers all post from there
too and they all also argue that Einstein was wrong, escape
velocity doesn't exist, etc., etc. The school system over there
really must suck.

Carl, can you think of a way to work this into Kook-Watch?

--
Michael Davis

midnyte wrote:

> This simply has to go up on your kook page... brace yourself
> for some serious ROFL'ing.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/1917/proof.html
>
> ...and he's willing to die for it too, how sad.
>
> Mid.

From: Carl Wilson  <carl_w@s...>
Date: Sat Jan 5, 2002 5:16am
Subject: Re: Fwd: This has to go up on your kook page....

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Davis" <mdavis19@i...>
To: <AAR_Skeptics@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:57 PM
Subject: [AAR_Skeptics] Fwd: This has to go up on your kook page....


> Hi all,
>
> The URL below was sent to me by midnyte (Twonky's main nemesis).
> It really shows a scary level of stupidity. Has anyone else
> noticed the number of people on Usenet from The Netherlands who
> claim that physics is all wrong? JosX and about a dozen more of
> Nutty Nancy Lieder's most vocal followers all post from there
> too and they all also argue that Einstein was wrong, escape
> velocity doesn't exist, etc., etc. The school system over there
> really must suck.

I'm not sure what the deal is with The Netherlands.  They seem to latch onto
crazy ideas very easily for some reason.  When I first went to Europe in
1978 on a REFORGER (REturn FORces to GERmany) exercise I ran into some Dutch
troops.  They had a unionized army at the time, and they all had long hair,
beards etc.  Got paid overtime for anything over 40 hours per week, and
lacked anything resembling discipline.  In fact most of the guys I met were
AWOL at the time I met them.  They decided to "take some time off in
Germany" rather than participate in the exercise.

Maybe their willingness to accept anything that comes along is a byproduct
of the ultra-liberal mentality they seem to have.


> Carl, can you think of a way to work this into Kook-Watch?


I'll add that to my list of KookLinks(tm)!

> --
> Michael Davis
>
> midnyte wrote:
>
> > This simply has to go up on your kook page... brace yourself
> > for some serious ROFL'ing.
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/1917/proof.html
> >
> > ...and he's willing to die for it too, how sad.
> >
> > Mid.

From: Carl Wilson  <carl_w@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2002 10:11am
Subject: The "Ed Wollmann Show"

I don't know if anyone here reads alt.astrology, but Ed Wollmann has been
really putting on a great show over there!  Looks like a total meltdown in
progress!

From: Michael Davis  <mdavis19@i...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2002 10:55am
Subject: Re: The "Ed Wollmann Show"

Carl Wilson wrote:

>  I don't know if anyone here reads alt.astrology, but Ed
> Wollmann has been
> really putting on a great show over there!  Looks like a
> total meltdown in
> progress!

Yeah, I follow it. Ed has been putting on the same show on
and off for about 6 years now. It is quite amusing to watch
when he is active. Check out his whining in the abuse groups
too. It's a laugh riot. It's amazing that someone as stupid
as Ed can even manage to post to Usenet.

--
Michael Davis

From: Michael Davis  <mdavis19@i...>
Date: Mon Jan 14, 2002 10:53pm
Subject: New graphics

Carl,

I see Sir Horry is whining about our graphics. I have
smartened up the original one a little and uploaded some new
ones to the images directory to provide some variety. I have
also created a preview page so you can see them here:

http://www.kook-watch.net/mdavis/temp/banners.html

--
Michael Davis

From: Carl Wilson  <carl_w@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 15, 2002 6:17am
Subject: Re: New graphics

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Davis" <mdavis19@i...>
To: <AAR_Skeptics@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 4:53 PM
Subject: [AAR_Skeptics] New graphics


> Carl,
>
> I see Sir Horry is whining about our graphics. I have
> smartened up the original one a little and uploaded some new
> ones to the images directory to provide some variety. I have
> also created a preview page so you can see them here:
>
> http://www.kook-watch.net/mdavis/temp/banners.html
>
> --
> Michael Davis

LOL!  I really like the last one!  The eye peaking through the hole is
great!

I think ol' Horry is a bit peeved about the web site.  I'll be sure to add
as many of his kooky posts as I can find just to piss him off all the more.
;-)

From: Bruce Hutchinson  <bhutch@g...>
Date: Thu Jan 17, 2002 7:07am
Subject: A Dearth of Kooks?

What IS this world coming to?

First, Charles takes the pledge, and swears he is a reformed 
FTB. Now Wollman quits (Again!) If we are not careful, we'll 
soon run out of Kooks!

Oh... wait! Thats the whole idea!  (SLAP!)


Bruce

From: Robert ASF  <ra_forti@h...>
Date: Thu Jan 17, 2002 7:56am
Subject: Re: A Dearth of Kooks?

>From: "Bruce Hutchinson" <bhutch@g...>
>Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 00:07:13 -700
>
>
>What IS this world coming to?
>
>First, Charles takes the pledge, and swears he is a reformed
>FTB. Now Wollman quits (Again!) If we are not careful, we'll
>soon run out of Kooks!

First Spaz's wife told him to say that. Second Wollman has only quit what 18 
or 19 times in the last five years... so Ya sure he is gonna quit...


>Oh... wait! Thats the whole idea!  (SLAP!)

Problem is for every one that grows up, there are two to replace them...

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From: Carl Wilson  <carl_w@s...>
Date: Thu Jan 17, 2002 10:11am
Subject: Re: A Dearth of Kooks?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Hutchinson" <bhutch@g...>
To: <AAR_Skeptics@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 1:07 AM
Subject: [AAR_Skeptics] A Dearth of Kooks?


>
> What IS this world coming to?
>
> First, Charles takes the pledge, and swears he is a reformed
> FTB. Now Wollman quits (Again!) If we are not careful, we'll
> soon run out of Kooks!
>
> Oh... wait! Thats the whole idea!  (SLAP!)
>
>
> Bruce

I'm wondering if this "reformed Chaz" bit is on the level, or if it's some
kind of joke.

I see on Ed's web page that he's shutting down his astrology and publishing
scams.  According to some of the posts in alt.astrology he plagiarized some
other person's book when he wrote his book.  I wonder if that has anything
to do with his sudden shutdown?

From: Michael Davis  <mdavis19@i...>
Date: Thu Jan 17, 2002 11:10am
Subject: Re: A Dearth of Kooks?

Carl Wilson wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Hutchinson" <bhutch@g...>
> To: <AAR_Skeptics@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 1:07 AM
> Subject: [AAR_Skeptics] A Dearth of Kooks?
>
>
> >
> > What IS this world coming to?
> >
> > First, Charles takes the pledge, and swears he is a
> reformed
> > FTB. Now Wollman quits (Again!) If we are not careful,
> we'll
> > soon run out of Kooks!
> >
> > Oh... wait! Thats the whole idea!  (SLAP!)
> >
> >
> > Bruce
>
> I'm wondering if this "reformed Chaz" bit is on the level,
> or if it's some
> kind of joke.

Yeah, it smells like a troll to me. But then his whole
frothing true believer act smelled like a troll too.

> I see on Ed's web page that he's shutting down his
> astrology and publishing
> scams.  According to some of the posts in alt.astrology he
> plagiarized some
> other person's book when he wrote his book.  I wonder if
> that has anything
> to do with his sudden shutdown?

The plagiarism is just one of Ed's problems. He has also
been operating an illegal counseling business, his web site
has other people's copyrighted material on it, he got tossed
out of two colleges after wasting five years taking woo-woo
classes in them, his crappy book isn't selling, his student
loans are no doubt coming due now that he isn't in school,
his car was recently vandalized, he had to leave San Diego
for some as yet unknown reason and fled to live with his
father in New Mexico, he has no job and no usable job skills
and no prospects. It really sucks to be Ed.

There is much speculation that he may be facing felony
charges from the state of California for running an illegal
counseling business and possibly other charges for running
an illegal business on SDSU's web server while he was a
student there. Time will tell what is really going on.
Somehow I doubt we have heard the last of Ed.

--
Michael Davis

From: Michael Davis  <mdavis19@i...>
Date: Thu Jan 17, 2002 10:06pm
Subject: Yet more new banners

More new Kook-Watch.net banners can be found at:
http://www.kook-watch.net/mdavis/temp/banners.html

--
Michael Davis